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[00:00:00] Today on the podcast I have my guest, Dr. Marcia Harris on talking with us all about hormone replacement therapy. This was such a good conversation. If you are new to this idea or you're trying to navigate, um, symptoms or just trying to kind of navigate this, you know, perimenopause, menopause transition.
Oh my goodness. I absolutely love this conversation. So much heart, um, in this conversation. In fact, I think she shares in the episode that she like was gonna retire and then couldn't because she just like wanted to, um, advocate for women. And she's in her eighties. I think she said she was in her eighties and just has a heart of gold, um, for helping women.
Be advocates for themselves and get the help that they need. So she shares more about her story and stories of her patients, um, getting the help that they need. And so I'm not getting the help and just [00:01:00] so many really good stories. So listen to this episode. It's a little bit of a longer one, but we really go into understanding.
Hormone replacement therapy and what it is and what it looks like for you specifically and all of the above. Okay. So as well, in addition to this podcast inside our women's wellness hub, Dr. Marcia Harris gave us a, a total transformation, a hormone transformation blueprint. So kind of a step by step to help you, you know, really get those hormones in.
Um. Balance and, and just help your body get in balance. So if you wanna go deeper in on this subject, if you wanna like really work on it, um, and get more step-by-step, um, support that's inside our women's wellness hub, remember you can join with the code podcast. Um, we also have. All of our other masterclasses, including gut health, um, pelvic floor health.
We've had, we have several [00:02:00] masterclasses on perimenopause menopause in there. Um, lots of different masterclasses to help support your journey as a woman of wellness. So you can join at a woman of wellness.com/hub. Um, I'll link that in the show notes, and I hope you enjoy this lovely conversation with Marcia.
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It's time to reject the lie that help and weight loss have to be hard, painful, or miserable. I'm ready to [00:04:00] link arms with you and experience the joy of wellness together. Okay, my wonderful podcast friends, I am excited to introduce our next guest with you. We're gonna be talking all about hormones. We've had a whole month of hormones, women's health, hormone health, and we're gonna be talking specifically about hormone replacement therapies and, um, just supporting your body.
Um, throughout this transition. So I've got Dr. Marcia Harris with me today who's going to be sharing more of her expertise with us. So first of all, welcome and will you share a little more of your bio? Tell us, tell us who you are. Thank you so much, and thank you for having me. Um, Elizabeth, uh, before I even go into that, I just wanna.
Acknowledge you and encourage you, because I listened to your, some of your podcasts and it [00:05:00] is just so important what you're doing. You know, it, it really is, and I wanna make sure that you know that and that your listeners appreciate you, you know? Thank you. So, yes. That's, let's, let's. Me start there and my bio.
Where, where do you want me to begin? Because I can go way back, but I won't. Let me, let me start with the hormone piece because 29 years ago in my late forties, I. Had such a hard time with menopause that I had to find help for me. I had to find help for me 'cause I was non-functional. Totally and completely non-functional.
And what's happened since is [00:06:00] a saga, which you know, as I said, 29, it's been almost 30 years and I've gone, I've come full circle and run the gamut. You know, I am back to where I started. I actually retired as a gynecologist about 10 years ago, and. Came back, actually lasted three months, retired for three months, came back and, but when I came back this time, I niched down the practice to basically just hormones.
Hormones for for women, hormones for men, and then sexual dysfunction as well, because the wives are. Um, women started bringing in their partners saying, you fixed me. Please fix him. You know, so I actually, in addition to the hormone piece, [00:07:00] I do erectile dysfunction as well as for women, vaginal rejuvenation, and, you know, all of those related.
Um, modalities. So my certification is obstetrics and gynecology. I've subsequently been certified in anti-aging medicine. Don't I look good for pushing 80? Yes. Hello? Yes. I wish we could, I wish listeners could see you, you know, but, um, it's, it's really, women have been just so misunderstood and misled and misguided.
And there's so much misinformation and misconceptions and myths out there that, I mean, we really need help. And I have now decided, you know what? I'm back. I am back. We have got to get the word out there because number one, [00:08:00] we don't, as women like to talk about it, we're suffering. And we're not talking about it.
That's number one. Number two, even if we bring it up and when we talk about it, it doesn't go very far because the doctors being trained now have absolutely no idea what ever. We are no longer training doctors on menopause, and women are literally being dismissed. I had a, and again, what started me up eight months ago, 10 months ago, this is July.
Um, 10 months ago, I had a 44-year-old patient come in who had been suffering for two years with increasing symptoms, increasing symptoms. She had seen [00:09:00] five doctors, four of them gynecologists. She went to the head of the menopause clinic. It took her five months to get an appointment with the head of the Menopause Clinic at one of the premier New York institutions who dismissed her.
Oh, the head of the menopause clinic. I was like, no, you're you. You can't be telling me the truth because she went in saying, these are my symptoms. And the woman looked at her. She didn't examine her, she didn't test her. She, she looked at her and said, eh, you're 43, 44. You're too young. Here is a prescription.
She gave her Prozac, Gabapentin, za, and said, come back in a year. Hmm. The head of the menopause clinic. We're in trouble. Yeah. And we have got to get the word out there, which is why it's so important [00:10:00] what you are doing. Oh, yeah. Can you quickly kind of tell us what, what was she experiencing that we might need to be aware of?
Like how do we know like, oh, this could be the transition. Oh well, the perimenopause, which, um, there is, you know, the stages, the cycles and puberty, and then our reproductive period and perimenopause, which is around menopause. Before menopause, but not menopausal yet is that period. And then menopause. And then post menopause, if you wanna break it down into, you know, the periods and perimenopause can start as early as 38, 39, or 40.
It literally can start as early as that. And at some people, they're 10, maybe [00:11:00] 15% of women who have no symptoms, whatever. And there are 15 to 20% of women whose symptoms are so severe, such as mine were that they're non-functional. And then you've got that, uh, 60, 70% in the, in the gray middle who can have two or three or four symptoms or who can have all 34 primary symptoms.
There are 34 primary symptoms of. You know, perimenopause and menopause. There are 20 secondary symptoms and there are as many as 50 or 60 symptoms, which you can say. You work it up and you find absolutely no other reason for it, but your hormones, the 34. Primary symptoms. I don't know if I'll [00:12:00] get all of them just like that, but you know, the, the, the thing that most people know are the vasomotor symptoms, the hot flashes and, um, the night sweats and the body ache and the fatigue, and even palpitations.
I have one woman who literally the only thing she gets, and she's. Now even been on hormones for 10 years, but that's what brought her in and it's palpitations. She'd wake up at three or four every single morning and her heart would be racing out of her chest, you know, and full workup. There was absolutely nothing that could explain it except hormones.
And now she knows when her hormones are low because they start again. It's literally one of the only symptoms she's [00:13:00] ever had. Okay. And again, it's not something somebody comes in or somebody your friend tells you she's having palpitations. You don't think of hormones first. Yeah. Am I correct? No. Yeah, no, you're not gonna think of hormones first.
What else? Um, breast tenderness and that, oh, we won't talk about the vaginal dryness. That's a whole, that whole part of it is another. Lecture and another podcast, you know, because again, as the hormones decline, the tissues react and it can get so bad and sex can become so painful that you don't even, you literally don't wanna be touched.
You know? It can actually put something in there and it, it. Splits you open. I mean, forget it, you know, va the vaginal dryness. What else? Your blood [00:14:00] pressure can go up. Your blood pressure can go down. Um, we get weight gain. We get weight gain usually around the middle, you know, and it's, it's a pudge that doesn't budge, you know?
Um, what else? Migraine headaches. Uh oh. Forget about the brain symptoms, brain fog and memory loss and insomnia. I mean, that's one of the big ones where you just, you can't sleep. Or even if you fall asleep, you wake up and can't go back to bed. The your thoughts race and your. As I said, brain fog, and you can't focus, focus difficulty.
You're depressed, you're anxious, you're irritable. You get panic attacks, mood swings, [00:15:00] crying spells. That's a whole set of testosterone type. Symptoms, which, um, again, that's a well that we can talk about later because a lot of times, um, even if they give you hormones, they wanna give you estrogen and progesterone and forget about the testosterone.
And testosterone is. Endlessly important because even though it's considered the quote unquote male hormone, it is, we have more testosterone than we have estrogen. Estrogen is predominantly in what we think of as the female hormone, and yes, we have more estrogen than men and you know, more. Estrogen than progesterone.
But guess what? We actually have 10 times [00:16:00] more testosterone than we have estrogen. Now we have 10 times less than men, but we have 10 times more testosterone than we have estrogen. So it's, and it's important. It's important in all the same things that it does for men. Muscle toning, energy, libido, sexual desire, all of those, those are all testosterone type, um, you know, symptoms.
Those are all controlled by our testosterone. Okay, so, um, thinning hair, thinning skin, creepy crawly skin. You know, I remember saying to a patient once and, and I gave her the list 'cause I have a list that I hand out with these 34 symptoms on them. And she looked at me and said, oh my god. That's [00:17:00] exactly what it feels like.
And I'm like, what? She says, my skin, it just feels like something's creeping and crying, you know? And she's like, yeah. I never thought, oh my God, that's hormonal. I'm like, yes. Yeah. You know? So it's dry skin. Acne, we again, all of the above. Yeah. Can be. And as we go into our forties and get older and the hormones decline, we can get two or three or we can get all 30.
Yeah. You know? Okay. Well then, yeah, let's kind of segue into that. Will you explain to us what hormone replacement therapy is? Then? You're saying, you know, all these hormones are dropping. Is it just like replacing them or can you explain it to us? Okay, let's. Let's do that. The, our hormones, as I think I said [00:18:00] before, are literally there are hormone receptors on every single cell in our body, every cell now, not just the sex hormones, thyroid hormones, adrenal hormones, all, all the hormones.
Right. There are hormone receptors on every single cell. Now we are born as women with between 400,000 and 600,000 eggs, quote unquote, which, uh, they go, we go through them in that period between puberty and when we actually go through menopause. You know, in our reproductive period, so the hypothalamic axis, it's called the hypothalamus, which is one of the organs in the brain, tells the pituitary to put out these hormones, which then talk to the [00:19:00] end organs.
Okay? And these are chemical messengers. Um, which speak to the end organ, end organs being your ovaries, your adrenals, your pancreas, for example, insulin is a hormone. And again, it's the same axis, you know, but the ones that we have to deal with are the sex hormones, because those are the ones that decline.
As the eggs get used up. Okay, so the hormones decline and everything starts getting affected. Yeah, that's the problem. Now, if we ignore it and do nothing, we lose function. [00:20:00] All those symptoms that I referred to before become indicative of the fact that we're actually losing function. So it is very, very important that we replace these hormones.
Now, your great-great-great grandmother and mine did not live past 50. Hmm. Women died in childbirth. Women, uh, died from infections. There was no penicillin that, I mean, there not just women, men died early as well. We didn't, we as a race didn't live past 50 or 55. The average age of death now for a woman is 86.
Because with all the advances we're living that much longer. [00:21:00] Average age of death for a woman is 86. For a man, it's 79 or 80. By the way, we live longer than men because our hormones protect us. Hmm. Men actually start losing theirs earlier than we do, whereas we are fine and then we fall off a cliff and crash and burn.
Okay, so, and that's the difference. Men start losing their hormones as early as 25 or 30, but it's incremental. It's gradual. It's a little bit at a time, and the line comes down basically as a straight line. You know, which is also one of the reasons, for example, a 60 or 70 or 80 or 90-year-old man if he can get it up, can still have a child.
Whereas we, as I said. We run out of eggs [00:22:00] and we fall off a cliff and, you know, crash and burn. Yeah. So what are, what are some of the, I guess, what are the different options when it comes to hormone replacement therapy? Are you saying, you know, you're replacing testosterone, you're replacing estrogen? You kind of mentioned bioidentical hormones.
Help us understand these phrases. Okay, let's do that. So we. Again, let me go back because I mean, I've been practicing since the seventies and in the seventies and eighties and early nineties we used to literally put everybody on hormones, and those products are still there and are still available, however.
We've basically stopped using them and certainly not as we used to, because as I said, we used to put everybody on hormones. And then in the mid [00:23:00] nineties, I forget her name, the woman who was in charge of the CDC in the mid nineties decided that we had, we were giving everybody these. Medications and saying that we were giving them because they were protecting our hearts and protecting our brains and protecting our bones, et cetera, but we had never really proven it.
There had never been a, a real extensive pro study, a study starting out and looking at it beforehand and then analyzing it. Proving that this, it really did protect our heart, protect our brain, protect our bones, as we were saying. And she, and it was a good idea. Was it, it turned out it backfired, but it was a very good idea at the time.
The [00:24:00] problem was what they did and how they did it. It was very, very, very flawed. Okay, so the Women's Health Initiative study, they. Commissioned and it's the largest, one of the largest studies that prospective studies that's ever been done, and it started in 1998 and it was 166,000 women. It was a national study, it was massive.
However, it was very, very, very flawed in that. In multiple ways. Number one, they were trying to prove that hormones were beneficial, but in doing so, they did a several things wrong. Number one, they made sure that nobody in the [00:25:00] study was symptomatic. Mm. Literally if you had hot flashes or night sweats or palpitations, or the mood disorders, or if you were symptomatic, you were not allowed to be a part of the study.
How'd they get that many women? Oh, not symptomatic. That's crazy. You know how they, they got that many women. They got that many women because what they, what that ultimately did was it got rid of the younger women. The average age of women in the study turned out to be 65 or 66. Now you tell me you are trying to prove something that starts at 39 or 40.
And you're gonna do it with 66 year olds, duh. Obviously that doesn't make any sense. You understand? Yeah. [00:26:00] So the, it turns out by the time they eliminated the people with the symptoms, they ended up with this older group of women. So that what they had, now let's back up here. We. Are saying that this helps to, uh, our heart helps to protect our heart and helps to protect our bones and helps to, um.
Protect against breast cancer and protect our brain and what have you. So the study was totally flawed in that the age of the patients were older and it didn't make any, it doesn't make any sense that you are leaving out [00:27:00] a hole. Generation basically, because from 39 to 65 year olds, there were very few people in that age range, and that's where menopause really is, you know?
So the average age of the women in the study was 66, so the results reflected. The age of the patients. That's number one. Number two, it was also flawed in terms of the hormones that were being used. The hormones that were being used were horses, urine derivatives. Yep. That's what I said. They didn't even try to hide it.
Premarin pregnant mares, urine Premarin. They still prescribe it today, thank Heaven. Not as, [00:28:00] you know, prevalent, not as frequent as before, but it still is being prescribed today. And they, they had several arms of the study. They had estrogen or Premarin only then they had Premarin and the Progestin, um, which is a synthetic.
Progesterone and then they had the placebo, the guys on the placebo. So there were actually like three arms to the study. The arm of the study that was actually gave the most trouble was the one with the pregnant NAS urine and the synthetic progestin. But even to that, when they went back and reanalyzed the data, the.
That arm of the study, which by the way, literally I will never forget the day that it came out [00:29:00] because my phone rang 200 times. Everybody. Called, I mean it totally spooked women out. They said, I'm going to get breast cancer. They said, I'm going to get dementia and Alzheimer's. They said, and literally the way it was released was just not the way studies were released.
Okay, so front page, New York Times, front page, wall Street Journal, and you know, hormones. Female hormone replacement causes breast cancer when you go back and when they went back and reanalyze the study, the incidents did go up, but it was not even statistically significant. It literally went from four in a thousand to five in a thousand.[00:30:00]
It was not even statistically significant. And now we know with the stuff that we're using now, the bioidenticals, et cetera, it's actually our hormones are actually protective. Protective, alright? So a whole lot of women have been disenfranchised and dismissed and not gotten the help they need. Over something, which literally should not have happened over one study.
Really? Yeah. One study. Mm. But I tell you, that study has made such a difference. Medical schools stopped teaching about menopause. They used to give one lecture. I don't think they even do that anymore. You know, so there's a whole, literally a whole generation of doctors who know absolutely nothing [00:31:00] about menopause.
So it's a problem. So what are, what are now the hormone options a avail? What's, what's now available? What's now available? What's working, and what's working? Interestingly enough, this stuff that we're using now has actually been around since the late 1930s. Been around since then, wasn't very popular, but now we know it's being the, the hormones that we're using now, the bioidenticals meaning.
Compatible with and exactly equal to life. In other words, what our body actually makes it is extracted from plants and the [00:32:00] molecule that's extracted, usually the dias genin that is extracted is exactly the same molecule. Our body makes the key, fits the lock. The horse's urine was close enough that it used to help, but it was not the same.
This is exactly the same and we have now, and there are actual studies. The SWAN study is ongoing. There are actually studies out there which have now proven that not only is it not. Detrimental. Not only is it not risky, it is indeed beneficial. It is indeed protective. Against what or for what? For everything.
Like our heart, for example. It, it helps too. [00:33:00] Um, help the inter, the intimate lining of the vessel, um, of our vessels are, are the ones that actually get stiff. The estrogen protects that. If you notice. Women don't get heart attacks and strokes until their late sixties, seventies, eighties. Men start getting them at 45 and 50 and 55.
Why? Our hormones? The estrogen protects our vessels. All right. The estrogen protects our brain. Again, dementia in women is much later, you know. For the same reason our bones, estrogen builds and maintains our bones. Testosterone actually rebuilds our bones, [00:34:00] estrogen maintains it, testosterone rebuilds it. I now have the orthopods and the cardiologists sending patients to me for hormones, for example.
The testosterone, little old women die. There's like a 50% death rate, and I'm not exaggerating. There is a 50% death rate after a woman breaks a hip. Yeah. She doesn't last a year 50% of the time with. The hormone replacement, the bone density goes up. As a matter of fact, we're now using this hormone, these bioidentical hormones, especially the testosterone in women to [00:35:00] rebuild bone.
Like somebody comes in with osteoporosis, two years on testosterone therapy. And the it that literally goes backwards, becomes osteopenic and can go, actually can go, go back to normal trabecular bone. Mm-hmm. It is absolutely protective. So we're replacing a lot of the hormones essentially, that we are losing in this process.
That's like, it's just the replacement mechanism. It is a replacement mechanism. Oh, now some, there are different ways to replace it and some ways work better than others. And you, a lot of practitioners, again, as I said before, who have no training in this, so don't know. Matter of fact, there are practitioners who are still telling patients, oh, [00:36:00] no, no, no, no, no, you don't wanna take hormones.
They're bad for you. Because they have not kept up, they have not seen the more recent research. They're still going off the Woman's Health Initiative study, which is such a disservice, you know, because that has been totally debunked for a long time. Yeah. You know, so, yes. That might be a good, uh, qualifier to ask a, a doctor, you know, 'cause you, we don't always know where they stand or what knowledge they have.
And it might be a good qualifier to say like, what do you think about this? And, and where do you stand on this? Um, and looking for, you know, some of that more updated information when they're talking about, you know, maybe using those words, bioidentical hormone. Are there any other things we could look for when we're talking with the doctor to be like, oh, okay, you're on the right page here.
Well, as I said, [00:37:00] we know that the hormones are protective. So if you are symptomatic, or even if you're not symptomatic, because I tell women the fact that the symptoms go away doesn't mean you stop the hormones. Mm. Because even though the symptoms have gone away, the process continues. Unless the replacement continues.
So I, I heard, and I don't remember who it was, I heard someone recently, it was in the, the, the study, the documentary that was done about a year ago. Um, the PBS documentary on menopause, and one of the experts in that, somebody asked her, well, when do you stop it? And she said, well, when I'm laying in a box is when I'm going to stop.[00:38:00]
You know, when I'm laying in a box is when I'm going to stop. I've been on them for 29 years. Yeah, and I'm gonna say exactly the same thing when I'm laying in a box is when I'm going to stop them. The Menopause Society had come out with recommendations that you had to start, you had to start replacement within about 10 years of going through menopause and that you stayed on it for the shortest time possible.
You know, all of that, even all of those recommendations are now out the window. Hmm. Okay. Even those are now out the window. Yeah. So who, I guess, how do we know for a good candidate and when, like how do we know and to go do this and they that You're a good candidate [00:39:00] when you get to 42, 43, 44, 45. Okay. You are a good candidate.
You need to find a practitioner that is going to take you seriously. Go in and say, look, I hear that hormones can be protective, and I wanted to see where I am in the spectrum. I wanted to see where I am on that line, that downward slope line that takes me to crash and burn. I wanted to be tested. I want to see if it's time for me to start.
How's that? Okay. Literally, when a patient comes in, I do a bone density as a baseline. I do what's called a calcium score. That is, I look at her vessels to see if there [00:40:00] is anything already, you know, collecting. In the vessels and if her vessels are pliable, as I said, the estrogen is what the, um, controls the intimate layer of the vessels so you know how the vessels function.
Is really tied in to, um, our hormones. So when a patient comes in, I not only check her levels of where she is, because the other thing is in men in perimenopause, which can last as long as 10 years, you know, can start as early as 39 or 40. The average age of menopause is 51. So perimenopause can, some women, it takes two years, but some women it takes 10.
Hmm. You know, so you, you really wanna be checked. Everything needs to be [00:41:00] evaluated at the time the person presents and sometimes they come in and everything is fine. And I do say, come back next year. Because we don't need anything yet, but if you plug into the system early, at least we can get ahead of the game.
Because what happens is if you don't replace it early enough and the damage begins, then you're going to be playing catch up. Like somebody who comes in with osteopenia or osteoporosis, you're playing catch up. Now granted caught, we can still fix it most of the time, but why do we wait for something to break and then try to fix it, right?
Yeah. Why do you think this is not, um. Announced from the streets. Do you know what I mean? Like it, it sounds to me like [00:42:00] it's a no brainer. Why is it just barely getting there? Or why aren't we, why isn't every woman like this is part of your process? Because women have not been taught to advocate for themselves.
Hmm. Which is is why what you're doing is so important. Thank you. Thank you. You know, women have literally not been taught to advocate for themselves and that, and number one, and number two, because the practitioners, a lot of them are not trained and don't have the information. Women are dismissed when they bring it up, so you've got it coming and going.
Yeah. Okay. We got it from both angles. You've got it coming and going. Women are still being dismissed. Yeah, which is such a travesty and I think [00:43:00] that's where the message of like knowledge is power, right? When you start to understand the symptoms and recognizing this could be related to something rather than just life, right?
Um, it could be related to menopause. And then you say, okay, recognize these symptoms, and then I also know what to look for and I also know what to ask, and then I can find the provider that can help support me the way that I need it. And most, most providers, you're gonna go in and they're gonna say, ah, it's okay.
It's, you're just getting old, you're, you're aging and you say Thank you very much, and you go to the next one. Yeah. Because obviously that person has literally not kept up with the science and is not up to date, and you need to find someone who's going to take you seriously. Yeah. Are there any risks associated with it that you have?
There are obviously risks. Yeah, there, [00:44:00] um, but they are minimal compared to the benefits. Absolutely minimal compared to the benefits. As I said, there is a slight increase in breast cancer. It's slight, and if the candidates are selected properly, it is more protective than risky. Okay. Okay. That's, that's just one thing.
Now, uh, what else? If someone already has damage, for example, if somebody shows up at 60 and they went through menopause at 50 and they have plaque on their arteries [00:45:00] already, then obviously their risk is higher. Because now you can activate that plaque. You can knock it off, you can get a stroke, you can get a heart attack.
You understand what I'm saying? Yes. Which is why it is so important to start early. Yeah. Which is why it's so, so, so, so, so important to start a, you know. We can add the, the benefits of a healthy lifestyle too. I mean, making sure that you're supporting yourself through that because they're all working together.
And so when we're also supporting our body in a healthy way, it's going to support what, what you're putting into it, right? It's gonna support lifestyle is amazingly important. It really, really, really is. Yeah. Yes. And, but again, we. I think, I think we're getting more cognizant of that. There are more of us [00:46:00] who are doing what we need to do, who are exercising, who are eating right, who are supplementing, you know, taking our D three and taking our.
Turmeric and curcumin and berberine and, you know, making sure that we're cutting down on our inflammation and making sure that we are, um, doing what we need to do in terms of our omega threes and our, you know, eating properly. Exercising, doing the things we need to do to make sure that our lifestyle is, you know.
Yeah, no. So important. Well, this has been a lovely conversation and I, and I feel like you have helped debunk some myths. You've helped us understand really what, um, what, how [00:47:00] we can advocate for ourselves and also what we need to be looking for, right? How, how to set that up. So I just wanna say thank you.
Thank you for spreading this message. Where can anyone listening find you and follow along so that they can stay informed? Okay. I am at the Wellness Restoration Center in New York City and it's, we're on Madison Avenue. Um, the website is the Wellness Restoration Center, or my name Marcia Harris, md. Um, again, okay.
We're right there. 6 4, 6 4, 7, 8, 9, 8, 3, 3. Awesome. Or Marcia Harris [email protected]. Awesome. Well, thank you. And I just wanted to let everyone know you've been so generous inside our Women's Wellness Hub, our membership, if, if members, if, if [00:48:00] listeners wanna go a little further, you're, you're providing us a total transformation reset.
Program. So something that's gonna help kind of transform those hormones and, and help support 'em even further. So thank you so much, um, for that as well. And thank you again. Thank you so much for having me and you continue your advocacy as well. I will. Okay, my friend, if you love the Woman of Wellness podcast, did you know that one of the biggest ways you can say thank you is by hitting that subscribe button and leaving a review?
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